

I am extremely pleased to present this exclusive interview with Stephen Koepfer of New York Combat Sambo.
Sambo was actually the first Grappling style that I trained in before Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. If that school had not closed, my ground game would be a bit different now.
Stephen not only continues to bring the best that Sambo has to offer to the public, but he is now helping to lead the charge to bring legalized MMA to New York.
Can you tell us about your martial arts background?
I first started training martial arts when I was 8 years old (1976) and did a year or two of Shotokan Karate. I did not stick with it, but it planted the seed in my head. I returned to training in 1989 with Tae Kwon Do. I got my black belt in 1993 and continued training until 1994 or so. Like many people, the first UFC in 1993 steered me in new direction regarding my training. It was a wake-up call for many traditional martial artists of the time, including myself. In 1994 I started training San Shou and rudimentary grappling. I continued that until 1999 when I began training Combat Sambo under my coach Alexander Barakov. In 2003 Alex moved back home to Russia and I started running our training group which evolved into my club, New York Combat Sambo. I now go to Russia annually to train with Alex or another coach I train with, Igor Kurinnoy.
Along the way, my training moved on what I considered a practicality track. Each new style represented a step forward that gave me increasingly practical skills. My competition experience mirrors that track. I was never a great competitor or world champion, but I do have a diversity of experience with both failure and success under my belt. Importantly, I learned what it is like to function under pressure.
Early on I competed in Olympic style Tae Kwon Do events, sport karate events like NASKA, some semi-contact Kung-Fu stuff, etc. Then, in 1997 I fought in the Northeastern Combat Arts Festival which had a full contact Shooto rules event. It was crazy going from NASKA, which is essentially a glorified game of tag, directly into a full contact MMA style bout. I lost to a kid who was fresh out of prison and an alternate for Extreme Fighting (another pro NHB brand at that time). But, I loved it! Sadly, that was the year MMA was banned in New York. So, events like that came to a screeching halt. In fact that may have been the last such events to happen in New York that was not under the table. Ironically it took place at One Police Plaza in NYC. In 1998 I went on to fight in the United World San Shou Championships, going 2-2 and finishing in 4th place. That same event was Cung Le’s pro debut on Pay Per View. I also competed in 1998 at the Gene Lebell World Grappler’s Challenge and the first ever Grappler’s Quest. After that I really started focusing on training and dipping my foot in the coaching pool. I found that I love coaching and teaching.
What do you believe is your highest achievement since starting training?
Honestly, it is not a medal or award that I am most proud of. One day, a student of mine came to class and handed me a box cutter. I asked him why he was giving it to me. He went on to explain that he had been mugged on the subway the night prior and was able to successfully defend himself, disarm the attacker, and escape unharmed. To me, this is what training and teaching is all about. Not the medals, accolades, etc. I am a martial artist first.
What are your goals as an instructor/grappler?
Broadly speaking, my goal is to help students develop their own flavor and style of grappling. I never want to be thought of as a coach who trains cookie cutter grapplers where everyone has the same strategies, etc. I think it is critical to allow students the freedom to explore and develop their own game. My job is to guide and oversee that process without dictating it for them.
What do you think about the current grappling scene?
I have mixed feelings. I love the fact that grappling is so popular. There are lots of events and opportunity. Unfortunately, many of the events are too large and not worth the trip, at least not for new guys – paying huge entrance fees, waiting hours to compete once if you lose, etc.
In terms of rules, there is a lot of room for improvement IMO. I love submission only events the most. I can’t stand the restrictions in IBJJF rules, which many events model off of. We just went to an ISWA Catch wrestling tournament in Montreal and it was great. The freedom of just grappling without the distraction of points is so refreshing. I also loved the fact that each match is best of three rounds. As a coach, that gives me an opportunity to work with my guys during the match; much like an MMA bout. There are some submission only events out there; I encourage people to seek them out. They are much more fun.
In terms of the larger events, NAGA has decent rules that allow for a wider variety of technique. These days, I prefer to bring our newer greener guys to in house competitions or smaller local events, like The Good Fight for example, where they can get mat experience without the hassle of the big events. Good Fight is also double elimination, which is great. When guys are good enough to go to advanced divisions, bring them to the bigger events where the brackets are smaller, the rules are less restrictive, and you grapple honest people (no sandbaggers).
What do you think is the biggest change since you started training?
In terms of grappling, that would have to be availability of good training and competition opportunity. When I first started grappling in the early 1990’s it was about getting what you could wherever you could; video tapes, seminars, etc. These days the availability and skill levels out there are leagues ahead of where it was.
What do you think about the current state of MMA?
It is great. Again, there are always areas for improvement. Judging criteria, the unified rules, doping regulations, and fighter’s rights are all areas that I feel need some serious inquiry and modification. But, overall I am so excited to have seen and experienced the growth of the sport to the level it is today. It is a process. There are many folks out there complaining about many things in the sport, but in the end MMA is only 19 years old. We are still adolescents, and have a lot of growing to do. We are going to have some growing pains.
In Grappling, what do you think is the most controversial technique or concept today?
That is a tough question. In terms of controversial techniques, I am not sure there are any universally controversial ones. Most controversies are based in particular rule sets. And, as we know there are lots of rule sets. So, it all depends on context of which grappling event you are competing in. For me personally, the traditional restrictions on leg locks in BJJ based rules, as well as the under appreciation of takedowns are a pain in the ass. I also think that most grappling competitions have strayed from the path of practicality in favor of playing a point game. This is why I love submission only events. Just look at how exciting the fights on last night’s TUF were when the issue of a judges’ decision was minimized. KO’s and subs all night. RThe fights went right to what counts – finishing the fight. But, different rule sets force people to develop different aspects of their game. So who knows? Just go compete and have fun. Don’t bitch if you get caught. Don’t whine about a bad call. There are bigger problems in the world.
In Grappling, what do you think is the most over-hyped technique or concept today?
It is not so much over-hyped as over-utilized: Closed guard. Bottom line is this: closing your guard is basically to buy yourself some time. With the rare exception of a guillotine or choke that your opponent mistakenly gives you, you are going have to open your guard to mount an attack eventually. But, people are so concerned with points being scored against them with a guard pass that they hold closed guard for way too long. My advice, develop your open guard. Your grappling will be leagues ahead.
In Grappling, what do you think is the most underrated technique or concept today?
Scarf hold (head and arm hold down). It is incredible how many guys I meet from other gyms that simply do not use or know how to use scarf hold well. I will take scarf over mount any day of the week. If mount were so great, we would see wrestlers pinning each other all the time with it. There are so many more sub options from so many other top/side positions. And, you will ogenerally have to leave mount to get the sub you start from there anyway (armbar for example)…or you will get rolled and end up on your back closing your guard. I honestly think it is ridiculous that mount gets so many points in grappling events. That is probably because of sport grappling’s MMA roots. Now, if you can punch someone in the face, mount is great
Currently, you’re leading the charge to legalize MMA in New York. Can you tell us about your efforts?
Well, there are many people doing many things to assist in the battle to lift the ban on live MMA in NY. I did create the Coalition to Legalize MMA in NY is 2010. But, it was not because people were not fighting prior. I founded the Coalition because what was being done in NY was very disjointed. I wanted to gather all our diverse voices and efforts to build a solid grass roots movement that represents our community. I have quite a bit of experience in management, organizing, marketing, etc, so I wanted to use those skills for our cause.
Since that time we have made significant impacts and in-roads with media coverage, awareness, and education within the state. We have also done our share of lobbying, petitioning, and rallying. One of our biggest achievements was the production of the documentary New York Mixed Martial Arts which premiered at the Bronx Week Film Festival last year. We have also taken the film on tour around the state and premiered it in Vegas last November. This year we took things a step further and worked in collaboration with Madison Square Garden and Take On Productions to host our own MMA documentary film festival.
Now, it’s common knowledge that Dana White (UFC) has been trying to get MMA legalized everywhere in the U.S. and that he seems to have hit some trouble recently in New York. He’s mentioned the situation before and in the March 2012 issue of UFC Magazine, Dana states: “The stuff that’s going on in New York is dirty. It has nothing to do with MMA.” Any thoughts on the situation?
You have to remember that Dana White is concerned most with one thing: the growth of the UFC, not New York. New York would certainly be a nice feather in Zuffa’s cap, but they don’t need us to make their money or grow the UFC brand. Dana has said this himself publicly. Zuffa is a huge multinational company with many hands in many pots and these hands don’t always communicate or cooperate with each other. So everything he says must be considered within this context. You also need to remember that Dana is a busy guy and does not know the state like we locals do. He gets his talking points from his PR people and makes an occasional visit here to lobby, etc. But, NY MMA is a much bigger picture than the one painted by Dana. And let’s face it, if it was only about Zuffa’s lobby dollars in Albany, we would have MMA in NY already.
In part, what Dana says is true. The fight here in NY, during the last two years or so, has become a proxy battle for a completely unrelated war – the battle between the Fertittas (UFC majority owners), their non-union hotel chain in Vegas (Station Casinos), and the groups that are battling them for unionization of those casinos (Unite Here and the Culinary Union). Both the UFC and the unions have used NY as a battleground to take pot shots at each other leaving NY MMA as collateral damage. Their attacks on each other are transparent and disingenuous.
Unfortunately, this has affected some of the union friendly legislators who are not educated enough to distinguish between the UFC and the larger sport of MMA. In this regard, the UFC and much of their negative press regarding drug use, unions, media control, fighter’s rights, etc, has hurt us in NY. This is why it is so important to build a local grass roots movement and educate our legislators in Albany about the differences between the UFC and MMA as a whole. We have to let people know that there is a much larger MMA world out there that should not be held accountable for the actions of the UFC.
Let’s look at New Jersey for example as they are our closest neighbor. The NJ State Athletic Control Board sanctioned 19 professional MMA and 20 amateur MMA shows in 2010. That’s a grand total of 494 individual bouts in 2010 (180 pro bouts and 314 amateur bouts). Guess how many events were a UFC? One. In 2011 NJ essentially repeats the statistic with 34 sanctioned MMA events in 2011, including 199 professional matches and 151 amateur matches. There was only one UFC in NJ in 2011. This is what most New York voters and legislators don’t know.
Aside from the unions, other groups that have lobbied against lifting the MMA ban in NY (sometimes in concert with the unions) based on the standard fare of violence and social welfare arguments. The New York Catholic Conference of Bishops and the National Center for Domestic and Sexual Violence are two examples. Again, these groups are insincere in their stated goals of protecting the people of NY from the “violent” and “anti-social” message they claim MMA delivers. If they truly cared about such things they would offer to work with the MMA community in NY to address their concerns and make some needed changes. But, they don’t. Furthermore, the damage they claim is done by MMA (UFC more specifically) is delivered via social media, TV, radio, PPV, internet, etc; none of which is banned in NY. The ban in NY is specifically on live professional MMA. So, to keep prohibition of live MMA is not even attending to the problems they are looking to address.
Zuffa has done some good for us as well. For example, the federal lawsuit they spearheaded in NY to fight the live MMA ban based on alleged Constitutional violations. Regardless of whether they win or lose, I personally think this was a smart move in terms of generating increased awareness of the issue. There is always the chance that the legislature could forestall the suit by lifting the ban in Albany. Conversely, the courts could preempt Albany by lifting the ban and striking down the law. In either case, or in the case of the suit’s failure, I think the risk of angering the legislators in Albany (by trying to circumvent them) was worth it in terms of forcing NY State to take a position on the old 1997 law. There needed to be a change in our plan of attack in NY. The suit has already had some success. For example, NY has admitted that amateur MMA is legal as a result of the suit.
What should the public know (that they probably aren’t aware of) in regards to the process of trying to legalize MMA in New York?
That regardless of whether they are New Yorkers or not, they can have an impact. Non-New Yorkers have been pretty dismissive of our problem in NY. I can’t really blame them. Our own fans have been pretty apathetic at times. Non-New Yorkers don’t have to live here or deal with the problems NY fighters, gym owners, MMA business owners, or fans have to deal with. They have their MMA. But, what they don’t understand is that what happens here in NY represents their sport. Oppositional arguments used here can be easily used in their own states at some point. Also, needed improvements in the sport can be made here because we are starting from scratch. Lastly, non-New Yorkers represent all the tourist dollars that would come into our state along with live MMA events. The sport of MMA is still very much in its adolescence. What happens in NY can affect everyone.
How can the public help make this a reality?
Contact your legislators and tell them you want MMA in NY. If you are not a New Yorker, contact Governor Cuomo and tell him you would come here for events if we had them.
What’s next for you?
I have got some irons in the fire. I have a book scheduled to be published very soon. But, other than that, just more of the same: coaching and teaching.
Any people you would like to mention or thank?
There are too many people to list here. So many folks have helped me with all the projects I am involved in, I could not have done any of the things I have accomplished without help from students, friends, family, colleagues, and other coaches. I am standing on the shoulders of MANY people. So, let me thank everyone…including you for giving me the opportunity to be interviewed.
Thank you, Stephen.
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